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Delson reads and comments on MN 117, the Great Forty, which presents right view as the first factor of the Noble Eightfold Path and shows each factor being developed with right effort and right mindfulness. He explains that keeping the five precepts supports right speech, action and livelihood and counters the five hindrances, and that the six R's work as the four right efforts. The second half of the talk is a question-and-answer session covering generosity, guilt and the precepts in Western society, the difference between training and arahant practice, samadhi and jhana, and wrong livelihood.
Key points
- Right view comes first in MN 117, and it means understanding wrong view as wrong and right view as right, with each path factor following from it.
- Delson links the five precepts to right speech, right action and right livelihood, so keeping the precepts supports right collectedness and jhana practice.
- He presents the five precepts as inversely related to the five hindrances, with each precept guarding against a particular hindrance (ill will, doubt, sensual craving, restlessness, sloth and torpor).
- He describes the six R's as the four right efforts: prevent unwholesome states, abandon them (release and relax), bring up wholesome states (re-smile and return to the object), and maintain them (return and repeat).
- He distinguishes the training stage, where a sense of self still follows the path, from the arahant, for whom the eightfold path functions automatically and produces no new kamma.
Suttas in this talk
Each opens the sutta on SuttaCentral.
Themes
Noble Eightfold Path · Ethics and virtue · The five hindrances · The 6R's
Where this talk sits on the path
This talk speaks mostly to Foundations. It follows the thread of Sutta study series.
The path runs from Foundations to Arahant; read at any point along it.
Transcript
Introduction to the Great Forty
Thank you, Khun. I hope everyone is having a good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you are in the world. I'm going to start with Majjhima Nikaya 117, the Great 40. And this is a translation that I'm using from Bhante Sujato. Let me begin. So I have heard, at one time the Buddha was staying near Savatthi in Jeta's Grove, Anathapindika's monastery. There the Buddha addressed the mendicants. "Mendicants," "Venerable sir," they replied. The Buddha said this: "Mendicants, I will teach you noble right collectedness with its vital conditions and its prerequisites."
"Listen and pay close attention. I will speak." "Yes, sir," they replied. The Buddha said this: "And what is noble right collectedness with its vital conditions and its prerequisites? They are right view, right thought, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, and right mindfulness. Unification of mind with these seven factors as prerequisites is called noble right collectedness with its vital conditions and also with its prerequisites. In this context, right view comes first. And how does right view come first? When you understand wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view, that is your right view. And what is right view? There is no meaning in giving, sacrifice, or offerings. There is no fruit or result of good and bad deeds.
Right view and wrong view
There is no afterlife. There are no duties to mother and father. No beings are reborn spontaneously. And there is no ascetic or Brahmin who is well attained and practiced, who describes the afterlife after realizing it with their own insight. This is wrong view. And what is right view? Right view is twofold, I say. There is right view that is accompanied by defilements, has the attributes of good deeds, and ripens in attachment. And there is right view that is noble, undefiled, transcendent, a factor of the path. And what is right view that is accompanied by defilements, has the attributes of good deeds, and ripens in attachment? There is meaning in giving, sacrifice, and offerings. There are fruits and results of good and bad deeds.
There is an afterlife. There are duties to mother and father. There are beings reborn spontaneously. And there are ascetics and Brahmins who are well attained and practiced, and who describe the afterlife having realized it with their own insight. This is right view that is accompanied by defilements, has the attributes of good deeds, and ripens in attachment. And what is right view that is noble, undefiled, transcendent, a factor of the path? It is wisdom, the faculty of wisdom, the power of wisdom, the awakening factor of investigation of principles, and right view as a factor of the path in one of noble mind and undefiled mind, who possesses the noble path and develops a noble path. This is called right view that is noble, undefiled, transcendent, a factor of the path.
They make an effort to give up wrong view and embrace right view. That is their right effort. Mindfully, they give up wrong view and take up right view. That is their right mindfulness. These three things keep running and circling around right view, namely right view, right effort, and right mindfulness. In this context, right view comes first. And how does right view come first? When you understand wrong thought as wrong thought, and right thought as right thought, that is your right view. And what is wrong thought? Thoughts of sensuality, of malice, and of cruelty. This is wrong thought.
And what is right thought? Right thought is twofold, I say. There is right thought that is accompanied by defilements, has the attributes of good deeds, and ripens in attachment. And there is right thought that is noble, undefiled, transcendent, a factor of the path. And what is right thought that is accompanied by defilements, has the attributes of good deeds, and ripens in attachment? Thoughts of renunciation, goodwill, and harmlessness. This is right thought that is accompanied by defilements. And what is right thought that is noble, undefiled, transcendent, a factor of the path? It is the thinking, the placing of the mind, thought applying, application, implanting of the mind, the verbal processes in one of noble mind and undefiled mind, who possesses the noble path and develops the noble path. This is right thought that is noble. One makes an effort to give up wrong thought and embraces right thought. That is their right effort. Mindfully, they give up wrong thought and take up right thought. That is their right mindfulness. These three things keep running and circling around right thought, namely right view, right effort, and right mindfulness.
Right speech
In this context, right view comes first. And how does right view come first? When you understand wrong speech as wrong speech, and right speech as right speech, that is your right view. And what is wrong speech? Speech that is false, divisive, harsh, or nonsensical. This is wrong speech. And what is right speech? Right speech is twofold, I said. There is right speech that is accompanied by defilements, has the attributes of good deeds, and ripens in attachment. And there is right speech that is noble, undefiled, transcendent, a factor of the path.
And what is right speech that is accompanied by defilements, has the attributes of good deeds, and ripens in attachment? The refraining from lying, divisive speech, harsh speech, and talking nonsense. This is right speech that is accompanied by defilements. And what is right speech that is noble, undefiled, transcendent, a factor of the path? It is the desisting, abstaining, abstinence, and refraining from the four kinds of bad verbal conduct in one of noble mind and undefiled mind, who possesses the noble path and develops the noble path. This is right speech that is noble.
One makes an effort to give up wrong speech and embrace right speech. That is their right effort. Mindfully, they give up wrong speech and take up right speech. That is their right mindfulness. These three things keep running and circling around right speech, namely right view, right effort, and right mindfulness. In this context, right view comes first. And how does right view come first? When you understand wrong action as wrong action, and right action as right action, that is your right view. And what is wrong action? Killing living creatures, stealing, and sexual misconduct. This is wrong action. And what is right action? Right action is twofold, I say. There is right action that is accompanied by defilements,
has the attributes of good deeds and ripens in attachment, and there is right action that is noble, undefiled, transcendent, a factor of the path. And what is right action that is accompanied by defilements, has the attributes of good deeds, and ripens in attachment? Refraining from killing living creatures, stealing, and sexual misconduct. This is right action that is accompanied by defilements. And what is right action that is noble, undefiled, transcendent, a factor of the path? It is the desisting, abstaining, abstinence, and refraining from the three kinds of bad bodily conduct in one of noble mind and undefiled mind, who possesses the noble path and develops the noble path. This is right action that is noble. They make an effort to give up wrong action and embrace right action. That is their right effort. Mindfully, they give up wrong action and take up right action.
Right livelihood
That is their right mindfulness. These three things keep running and circling around right action, namely right view, right effort, and right mindfulness. In this context, right view comes first. And how does right view come first? When you understand wrong livelihood as wrong livelihood, and right livelihood as right livelihood, that is your right view. And what is wrong livelihood? Deceit, flattery, hinting, and belittling, and using material possessions to pursue other material possessions. This is wrong livelihood. And what is right livelihood? Right livelihood is twofold, I say. There is right livelihood that is accompanied by defilements, has the attributes of good deeds, and ripens in attachment. And there is right livelihood that is noble, undefiled, transcendent, a factor of the path.
And what is right livelihood that is accompanied by defilements, has the attributes of good deeds, and ripens in attachment? It's when a noble disciple gives up wrong livelihood and earns a living by right livelihood. This is right livelihood that is accompanied by defilements. And what is right livelihood that is noble, undefiled, transcendent, a factor of the path? It's the desisting, abstaining, abstinence, and refraining from wrong livelihood in one of noble mind and undefiled mind, who possesses the noble path and develops the noble path. This is right livelihood that is noble. They make an effort to give up wrong livelihood and embrace right livelihood. That is their right effort. Mindfully, they give up wrong livelihood and take up right livelihood.
That is their right mindfulness. These three things keep running and circling around right livelihood, namely right view, right effort, and right mindfulness. In this context, right view comes first. And how does right view come first? Right view gives rise to right thought. Right thought gives rise to right speech. Right speech gives rise to right action. Right action gives rise to right livelihood. Right livelihood gives rise to right effort. Right effort gives rise to right mindfulness. Right mindfulness gives rise to right collectedness. Right collectedness gives rise to right knowledge. Right knowledge gives rise to right freedom. So the trainee has eight factors, while the perfected one has ten factors. And here, too, the eradication of many bad, unskillful qualities is fully developed due to right knowledge.
In this context, right view comes first. And how does right view come first? For one of right view, wrong view is worn away, and the many bad, unskillful qualities that arise because of wrong view are worn away, and because of right view, many skillful qualities are fully developed. And for one of right thought, wrong thought is worn away. For one of right speech, wrong speech is worn away. And for one of right action, wrong action is worn away. For one of right livelihood, wrong livelihood is worn away. For one of right effort, wrong effort is worn away. And for one of right mindfulness, wrong mindfulness is worn away. For one of right collectedness, wrong collectedness is worn away.
For one of right knowledge, wrong knowledge is worn away, and for one of right freedom, wrong freedom is worn away, and the many bad, unskillful qualities that arise because of the wrong path are worn away, and because of the right noble eightfold path, many skillful qualities are fully developed. So there are 20 on the side of the skillful, and 20 on the side of the unskillful. This exposition of the teaching on the Great Forty has been rolled forth, and it cannot be rolled back by any ascetic or Brahmin or God or Mara or Brahma or by anyone in the world. If any ascetic or Brahmin imagines they can criticize and reject the exposition of the teaching on the Great Forty, ...
They deserve rebuke and criticism on 10 legitimate grounds in the present life. If such a person criticizes right view, they praise and honor the ascetics and Brahmins who have wrong view. If they criticize right thought, they praise and honor the ascetics and Brahmins who have wrong thought. If they criticize right speech, they praise and honor the ascetics and Brahmins who have wrong speech. If they criticize right action, they praise and honor the ascetics and Brahmins who have wrong action. If they criticize right livelihood, they praise and honor the ascetics and Brahmins who have wrong livelihood.
If they criticize right effort, they praise and honor the ascetics and Brahmins who have wrong effort. If they criticize right mindfulness, they praise and honor the ascetics and Brahmins who have wrong mindfulness. If they criticize right collectedness, they praise and honor the ascetics and Brahmins who have wrong collectedness. If they criticize right knowledge, they praise and honor the ascetics and Brahmins who have wrong knowledge. If they criticize right freedom, they praise and honor the ascetics and Brahmins who have wrong freedom. If any ascetic or Brahmin imagines they can criticize and reject the exposition of the teaching on the great 40, they deserve rebuke and criticism on these 10 legitimate grounds in the present life. Even those wanderers of the past, Vasa and Banya of Ukala, who taught the doctrines of no cause, inaction, and nihilism, did not imagine that the great 40 should be criticized or rejected.
The Eightfold Path and its aspects
Why is that? For fear of being blamed, criticized, and faulted. That is what the Buddha said. Satisfied, the mendicants were happy with what the Buddha said. So the Buddha here is talking about the Eightfold Path along with the two fruition factors. And he discusses them in a way that divides them into two aspects. The first aspect is for one who is on the path, who has entered the path, and is training using the path.
And first and foremost one must develop right view. As he explains in this sutta, there are two aspects of right view. There is that right view that emerges once you understand on an intellectual level what it means to have right view, and that begins with developing a perspective rooted in morality and ethics. So that's one of the three different aspects that divide the Eightfold Path. You have ethics, which are rooted in the five precepts. So before you even start to develop a mind that can be ready for meditation, that can be ready to enter the jhanas through right collectedness or, as I like to call it, affective collectedness, you have to first maintain and keep your precepts. That begins with sila, or ethics and morality, and that is determined by your right choice or right thought, and I like to call it effective choice. Anytime you are practicing the six R's, you are practicing it based on right choice or effective choice, because
you bring up a wholesome thought or you bring up a wholesome memory, and your mind is rooted in a state that is void of any harmless thoughts or greed or attachment, and you easily let go of any distractions that arise in the mind. So that's the training that you go through when you practice the six R's, whether it's meditation or in daily living. So it starts with having the correct idea of what it means to practice the six R's, why you're practicing the six R's. It's to develop a mind that is rooted in ethics, that is rooted in morality, and that allows you to develop right speech or effective speech, right action or effective behavior, and right livelihood or effective living. And what does that mean? That means when you maintain your five precepts, you are automatically acting from right speech, acting from right action, and acting from right livelihood.
The five precepts and the five hindrances
If we take the five precepts, you can see that they're inversely related to the five hindrances that arise in one's mind. Now, there are different ways that people might interpret how that might be so. But from my perspective, from my understanding, as I have seen it, when we take a look at the five hindrances, we start off with ill will. If you act in a way or have the intent of harming a living being or killing a living being, you are cultivating the hindrance of ill will. And by doing so, it will arise in your mind, in your practice, in your meditation. So that's important to keep that precept from abstaining from intentionally harming any being through speech, thought, or action.
Now you have the hindrance of doubt. Whenever you use false speech, you are tricking other people into believing things that are not true. And you are starting to create a mind or a mindset that develops doubt in others, because if you begin to trick other people with false speech, the mind begins to think and wonder if others around it are also speaking untruths and tricking the mind. That also translates in the meditation to doubt in one's own abilities and one's capacities when they're practicing the meditation and daily living.
When we look at sensual craving, that's when one, or even sexual misconduct, you are indulging in the five senses, the five physical senses. That includes sexual misconduct in the sense of indulging in a way that is unwholesome, that creates pain for yourself and for other beings, that is heedless in nature, that creates disturbances in the mind. Whenever this happens, the mind is prone to attach itself to sensual pleasures, to the sixth sense base, and identifies with those sixth sense base. By doing that, you start to cultivate and develop
the unwholesome hindrance of sensual craving. Then you have restlessness, that arises from taking what is not given. But by extension, that does not mean just stealing physical possessions. That also means that you start to look for things that are not given. You start to desire or crave credit in terms of something that you may have done and you expect credit for, or you expect more attention from another being, or whatever it might be. It's not just a physical level, but it's also emotional and mental. So anytime you look out for these things and take what is not given, any time you take credit where it's not due, any time you look for attention where it's not due, you start to create a restless mind. And of course, when you take possessions from others without asking or without having it been given to you, you start to develop a restless mind from the perspective of conceit.
You start to get rooted in the sense of I, me and mine, and by doing so you start to get paranoid, in the sense that whatever credit that might have been given to you, which you may not deserve, you have the paranoia and restlessness that it might be taken away from you. Likewise for attention or any other physical possessions as well. So it's important to be mindful of these things when it comes to not just physical possessions, but how you behave with others in relation to your expectations from others, and making sure that you're not acting out of conceit but you're responding from a mindful perspective. Then you have sloth and torpor.
This is when you indulge in intoxicants, and that doesn't mean just alcohol or drugs or things that might make you feel sleepy. It's also anything related to an overindulgence in, for example, social media, television, the media, news, internet, whatever it might be. And when you do this, even if you're indulging in, say, a stimulant like caffeine, or you're overindulging tea and coffee, you're starting to create an imbalance in your neurotransmitters.
That's particularly dopamine and serotonin. And when you do this, what happens is you start to lose a balanced mind. Your mind becomes dull, and it dampens its abilities to be able to be collected in nature. So it's important to be mindful of these things as well, and refrain from overindulging in anything that could be considered addictive by nature.
Right effort and the four applications
So these are the five hindrances that one needs to root out by following, keeping, and maintaining the five precepts. This is related to morality and ethics. Once you have that, then you can start to develop the right effort. Now, in this particular sutta, the Buddha talks about right effort in the way of replacing wrong view with right view, wrong thought with right view, wrong speech with right view, and so on and so forth. And that's also, by extension, the four right efforts, or the four effective applications, as I like to call them. And first and foremost, that is to prevent any unwholesome qualities of mind from arising.
And what that means is, if you are practicing the six R's, as soon as you recognize that there is an unwholesome quality of mind, as soon as you realize that you have been distracted, you are further preventing any kind of hindrances or disturbances from continuing to distract you from your meditation. Then you have the second effective application, or the second right effort, which is to abandon any existing unwholesome qualities of mind. So if you're doing the six R's process, that's releasing and relaxing the craving that arose from that hindrance. You release your attention
from that hindrance, and so thereby you abandon any power that that hindrance might have over your mind. You release it, and then you relax the mind and body, the tension that is there in mind and body, and that creates an open, spacious mindset which is prone towards more wholesome states of mind. So the third effective application is to bring up wholesome qualities of mind, and how you do that is by bringing up a smile in the six R's process. So if you notice that you've stopped smiling, for example, you come back to bringing up a smile, and then you come back to whatever your object is, whether it's loving kindness, whether it's compassion, whether it's joy or tranquility.
That is the wholesome quality of mind that you bring up. And then finally, the fourth effective application, which is to maintain that wholesome quality. And that's done by returning to that object of meditation and continuing to stay with it. And then, of course, repeating if you see that your mind is distracted yet again. So that is the right effort in meditation. But in daily living, it's also the process of seeing in every given moment what sort of choices you are making, are the choices rooted in right view, are they rooted in a view that is
Wholesome, and that is void of any unwholesome states, that is void of greed, that is void of craving, that is void of aversion, that is void of ill will. You have to be mindful, and so that is the other aspect that the Buddha discusses here. He discusses three things that churn each aspect of the Eightfold Path. One is right view. Once you understand what right view and wrong view is, and by extension the other factors of the path, and what are the effective factors of the path, or the right factors of the path, and what are the ineffective factors of the path, or the wrong factors of the path. By doing this, you develop that right view by using right effort to know what is right and wrong in terms of the factors of the path, and then you do this through mindfulness, which is to say that in every given moment you are paying attention to where your mind is. In every given moment you're paying attention to the kind of choices and intentions that are arising in the mind.
That are arising in the mind. Whether that is in thought, action, or speech, the more mindful you are, the better it will be for mind to be able to choose things that are rooted in wholesome qualities of mind, in actions and speech that are rooted in the Eightfold Path. And by doing so, what you're effectively doing is reconditioning the formations that bind to the intention, that activate a certain type of consciousness, and that influence and condition an intention. So if you're using right mindfulness in daily living, what you're doing is you're able to see and stop the craving before it even arises. You stop taking personal any sensation or feeling that arises. You stop taking personal any kind of perception that might arise, and any kind of contact that might arise.
And by doing so, every time you act, speak, or think in a way that is rooted in the Dhamma, that is rooted in the Noble Eightfold Path, you are effectively conditioning those formations and weakening the formations that would influence and condition an intention that would create a choice that might not be wholesome. If you start to choose the effective path, the effective action in every given moment, you start to strengthen those formations that will give rise to an intention that will allow you to make wholesome choices, choices rooted in the Dhamma, that will then continue to put you on the right path, which is the Eightfold Path. And as you keep doing this, what happens is it becomes an automated process, eventually developing and cultivating and coming to fruition in what is right knowledge and right freedom, or what I like to call it, effective insight and effective release.
And the effective insight, or right knowledge, is the knowledge that the taints are destroyed. And once you know that the taints, or the defilements, or in this case, I like to call it a virus, a virus that infects the software of the mind, and those are the taints or defilements or viruses of craving, of sensual craving, of being, and of ignorance.
Once those three are rooted out, then you know that the work is done, and effectively you come to right freedom or effective release. And that is the bliss of Nibbana that you experience. The bliss that you experience after, let's say, a cessation of perception and feeling event, and that Nibbana that arises, and that you make contact with the Nibbana element. So there is, as the Buddha says in this discourse, two different aspects to this. So we just covered the morality aspect first, which then develops a mind that is prone to right collectedness. And that is the right samadhi, or the right collectedness, or effective collectedness.
And that brings to fruition pragya, or wisdom, or insight, whatever you'd like to call it. So those are the three different aspects, but he divides them into two, the entire Eightfold Path. That is to say that there is an Eightfold Path with defilements, in one who is still on the path and training the mind, and one who has achieved the goal, who has become an Arahant. And by doing so, one who has completed the path has, by rooting out the taints or the defilements or the viruses, is no longer able to act in a way that is not in accordance
with the Eightfold Path. In other words, the Eightfold Path becomes the automatic functioning for an arahant. Their thoughts, if any, that arise are rooted in the brahmaviharas, are rooted in compassion and wisdom and right view. And the ultimate right view that arises when one experiences the fruition, the path and fruition of arahantship, is the right view that is the experiential understanding of the Four Noble Truths, which means that one has understood on an intellectual level what the Four Noble Truths are, has developed the path to be able to realize the Four Noble Truths, and finally sees for themselves what those Four Noble Truths are in every given moment, as the links to dependent origination arise up to the level of feeling and then perception in the case of an arahant.
And then every time a feeling arises for an arahant, it's the automatic view to see all that arises as being impermanent, as being in flux, and therefore not worth holding on to. And since it's not worth holding on to, it cannot be considered as I, me, or mine. So every time a feeling arises, the arahant doesn't have to let go of the feeling or anything that arises from the feeling. The arahant already understands that the feeling that arises is part of the three characteristics.
It is impermanent, and it causes suffering, and it's not self. Therefore the arahant's mind is never abiding in one thing or another, in the sense of a mind in which case it might start to proliferate different kinds of thoughts around a feeling through perception, and then create all kinds of delusions and things that would blind the mind of such an individual. The arahant just sees as it is, without projecting onto it any conceptualizations, because they have completely realized the Four Noble Truths and understood the three symptoms of reality, or the three characteristics of existence. And so it's important, once again, I'll come back to that: first develop the practice of keeping the precepts. This is why it's always emphasized to keep the precepts, so that when you go into meditation, when you start practicing right collectedness and you start experiencing the jhanas, your mind is purified, and your mind is prone to seclusion, is prone to words, Nibbana,
Questions from the meditators
and is undisturbed by any hindrances. Do we have any questions? Hello, yes. I have a question. What about generosity? As far as I know, that would have often been taught as even before sila. Yeah, yeah. Generosity is as simple as sharing a smile, for example. Generosity is about being rooted in the brahmaviharas, is always sharing your happiness with others first and foremost, sharing your loving kindness with others first and foremost. So that arises from the right choice, or effective choice, which is rooted in a mind that is void of any kind of hatred or greed. So you start developing that loving-kindness, and by doing so you're naturally more generous. You're naturally more giving of whatever it might be, whether it's your time, whether it's your effort, whether it's your resources. So that also arises from a mind that is grateful. Gratitude is another important aspect, so gratitude and generosity are more important in developing that wholesome mind.
Yes, thank you very much. I have one question. Yes. You know, this question was asked by one of the meditators to one day, I think it's less close ago maybe, and I myself wanted to know. I was born in the Buddhist community, you know. I was born in Burma, so we grew up with the five precepts pretty much, so I wasn't even thinking about them. But in the Western society, we were not taught how important keeping precepts is. Because of that, they don't really have guilt about, like, me having wine or talking white lies or stuff like that. An interesting question that the meditator asked was, in that case, when the guilty state arises, I would say yes, but I don't know. If I were someone asked me that question, I do not know what I would answer. So it's really interesting, I really enjoy it. So your question is about whether guilt would arise in a mind, let's say, that would
not follow the precepts and has no, let's say, understanding of the Dhamma, or has no introduction to the Dhamma. Correct. But for the person who never even knew about this Dhamma, or about the precepts, would they even have that? It's not so much guilt, although it can be guilt. But you see, in our modern society, if you say Western society, but I would say it's all over the world, all over the globe now, you see the fruits of not keeping the precepts in the form of stress in a lot of people. In the form of being agitated, their minds are prone to being in a state of anger, or in a state of aversion, or in a state of sensual craving.
And so yes, there could be guilt that might arise, but you see the effects of it more so in a society that values, you could say, being on top, that values being number one at the cost of everything else. And so it's more of a competition than cooperation. And that translates on a personal level to a mind that is disturbed, that is always active, that is always restless, and that always produces agitation and anger and fear. Makes sense.
Thank you. Bhante, if I may, I would be really happy to put some questions on this path. There is a normal Eightfold Path and a supramundane Eightfold Path. I have seen this, and basically there is no distinction as far as it is concerned, in that the supramundane Noble Eightfold Path has to go through the Eightfold Path that consists of morality. Yes, so that is embedded within the supramundane Noble Eightfold Path, so that whatever an arahant does, it has inherently followed the morality aspect, the sila aspect. And there is, that's why I just say there is a distinction being made, that is partaking of merits affected by the things, and there is a path that is free from all these
This that has made some distinction, is there any kind of reason why the Buddha is making this distinction? To encourage one to develop a mind that is heading towards the supreme mundane, or some sort of noble mind? Just going through the sutta, why there is a distinction: he's talking about two different beings who are on the path. A being who has started the path, who is developing the path and cultivating the path, and in such a being there are still the defilements. There is still some aspect of sensual craving. There is still some craving for existence, or craving for being. There is still some ignorance, and there are still the fetters that are involved, especially the first
The five higher fetters, rather, especially conceit. And so whatever that being does, they do it from a level of, or a sense of, me, a sense of I. That's where the fruition of karma starts to arise. It's rooted in some kind of attachment to good deeds, to developing wholesome activities, so that you reap the benefits of those good deeds. It's only a sense of self that begins to reap those good deeds, that reaps the effects of those good deeds. But in the case of an arahant, who has cut off the defilements, who has cut off the taints, they do it without any kind of thought in terms of "I am now following this precept," for example, or "I am now acting in accordance with the eightfold path." It's just, as you use the word, inherent within the, you could say, quote-unquote, personality of an arahant, to be mindful in every given moment and to be situationally
aware where they can act out of the eightfold path act automatically from the eightfold path so there's no thought to it of a sense of i i'm following it so the distinction is more about the the intention behind following that path and so in the case of one who is still training who hasn't yet been fully realized there is still some sense of I there, that I am following this, and therefore expectations of rewards from that. And so there's a sense of attachment to it. But one who has perfected the path doesn't really have even any thought regarding as to the path itself, in the sense that it's second nature to them.
It's as easy as folding your hands or blinking your eyes. It's just an automatic process for an arahant. So, without giving any kind of personalized intention or personalized thought to it, they therefore don't produce any new karma out of it. Johnson, I have a question. We heard a few words in terms of samadhi as a synopsis for this, and we also heard about connectedness, mindfulness and immersion.
Qualities of mind and samadhi
I assume that all those words are being used synonymously, but taking away all of those words, can you just say a few words around just the qualities that we should be cultivating in our mind? Because, you know, sometimes these words could lead you in slightly different directions. And so I'm wondering if you could elaborate a little more on that. - Yeah.
First and foremost, especially collectedness, immersion, and samadhi, they're all synonymous in what they're pointing out to. And what they're pointing out to is the entrance into the first four rupa jhanas, and then by extension, the formless jhanas. The qualities that are developed are basically, first, having that mindfulness, so you are able to see and be aware of where your mind is at in every given moment. That first helps you create the situation in one's mind to be able to enter into the jhanas. We'll take, for example, the first jhana. The first jhana has thinking or thought and examination as part of its factors that are involved.
The joy and the bliss and the rapture that arises from it, and one of the easiest ways to come to that sense of joy, that wholesome quality, is through the practice of the brahmaviharas, and by extension having, let's say, a grateful mind, or an attitude that is rooted in gratitude. It creates these wholesome states, and by being aware of them, by being mindful of them, by using your attention, which is what feeds the mind, which is what the nutriment for the mind is, or for anything that arises. So if you pay attention to more wholesome
qualities of mind, they will feed off of that attention, grow and start to culminate into the first jhana, which is that bliss and that rapture that arises, but that is with thought and thinking and examination. As you start to let go of that and get into deeper states, you then let go of thinking and examination and are just in bliss and rapture and joy, and then you let go of even that. So there are two aspects to it. One is to create that cultivated wholesome state, but also having the attitude of renunciation, the attitude of letting go. Now, when I say that, that does not mean you intentionally let go.
If a mind is collected in the jhana, if a mind is collected through wholesome thoughts, it is prone to let go naturally. It is prone to renounce any unwholesome activities and thoughts in and of themselves, and it starts to deepen and unravel itself. So all you have to do is observe and practice the 6R's, if you're practicing the 6R's, or in other words, be mindful of any time your mind is distracted, then come back to that collected mind. So it's not intending any of these things. It's just allowing mind to naturally rest in that wholesomeness. Once you have generated that wholesomeness, you let the mind just relax into it and just keep observing.
And that observing is the mindfulness aspect. That observing is maintaining that attention towards, let's say, that object of meditation. But it's also not done in a way that is forceful. You have to do it from a standpoint of enjoying, let's say, that meditation, enjoying being there for the time being. And then mind will start to unfold itself even deeper and deeper as you get into higher states or the higher jhanas. Essentially, it's two things.
Maintaining, keeping and maintaining wholesome qualities of mind, whatever that may be. And secondly, allowing mind the space to let go through keeping your attention on your object. And then anytime it's no longer on your object, you let go of that disturbance and that distraction and come back. And so you're developing, you're exercising, if you will, the muscles of letting go and not grasping.
Thank you. Are there any more questions, or should we share some merit? I have one question. It's about something from the sutta. It's from a rare livelihood, and it's wrong livelihood, and that is pursuing gain with gain. What does that mean? So, you have to look at it from the perspective of, let's say, being a monk or being a lay person. As a lay person, you can develop your wealth that is rooted in wholesome activities. There's nothing wrong with developing your wealth if it's rooted in wholesome qualities, whereas for a monk to
use material gain that might arise, essentially that's basically just the four requisites that a monk requires. It's a matter of not using that for purposes other than the needs of the body that are required, when you need it for developing your meditation. If you have the intention of using that for anything other than developing the mind and thereby attaining Nibbana, it would be unwholesome. It would be wrong for a monk to do that. Yes, yes. Thank you very much. Yes, makes sense. I think we can share some merit then.
Closing and sharing merit
We will show a slide, so everyone can join in. All right. May the suffering ones be suffering free, and the fears strong, being shed all free, and may all beings find relief. May all beings share this merit that we have thus acquired, for the acquisition of all kinds of happiness. May beings, inheriting the face of earth, dwellers and beggars of mighty power, share this merit with us. May they be not alone after the Buddha's dispensation. Thank you all. Hope to see you next week, Sunday. Thank you, thank you all. Have a nice day. Thank you.