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Delson explains the first four jhanas as progressively more settled states of mind that arise from loving-kindness (metta) practice once the mind is relaxed and free of hindrances. He reads from MN111 (the Anupada Sutta), the account of Sariputta and Moggallana, and then describes each jhana's qualities, the role of the six R's, and the seven awakening factors. The talk ends with a question and answer section on satori, chakras, moving between jhanas, and the determinations practice.
Key points
- The first jhana arises when vitakka and vicara bring up the metta object and the mind stays with it, secluded from sensual pleasure and hindrances, with joy and happiness born of that seclusion.
- The second jhana drops verbalizing and imagery, so the feeling of loving-kindness is sustained by attention alone, with piti and sukha born of collectedness.
- The third jhana lets go of joy and brings greater tranquility and equanimity, while the fourth lets go of happiness and is marked by purity of mindfulness due to equanimity.
- Delson says these states are not constructed. They arise naturally as the practitioner lets go, and the six R's (recognize, release, relax, re-smile, return) are the ongoing practice that keeps the mind moving back to the object.
- He connects the progression to the seven awakening factors and the eightfold path, and presents the fourth jhana as the basis from which the Buddha gained his knowledges on the night of awakening, with detailed rupa and arupa jhanas to be covered the next day.
Suttas in this talk
Each opens the sutta on SuttaCentral.
Themes
The jhanas · The brahmaviharas · The 6R's · The five hindrances
Where this talk sits on the path
This talk speaks mostly to 3rd jhana (happiness), and also to 4th jhana (equanimity), 1st jhana (joy).
The path runs from Foundations to Arahant; read at any point along it.
Transcript
Introduction to the jhanas
So today and tomorrow we will be discussing jhanas, the different elevated states that you will experience as you progress deeper in this practice. So today I'm going to focus on discussing the first four jhanas. When we say jhana, jhana really is the Pali for Sanskrit which is dhyana. And dhyana really means a level of attention, a level of understanding that the mind experiences. Sensual experience.
So what do we mean by sensual experience? That is experience that is related to the eyes, the ears, the nose, the tongue, and the body. These are the five cords of physical stimulation. But the mind, which is the sixth sense space, is outside of the scope of the ordinary world. Because it's through the mind that you can experience elevated states.
It's through the mind that you can experience memories of past lives or memories of this life. It's through the mind that you're able to project out into the future and visualize and so on and so forth. And that has no connection to any of the five physical sense spaces. So when the Buddha talks about there is this world and the other world, which is the world of meditative states that you experience through the mind. So that's why when we talk about jhana, it's really levels of understanding, levels of experience, levels of cessation. And I'll explain what that means as we go through each of the five senses.
The Anupada Sutta story
And the four jhanas today. But I'm going to read a short portion from a sutta just to give you some context and introduction to what we're doing here. So this is from Majjhima Nikaya 111, the Anupada Sutta, one by one as they occurred. And they lived in the same village. And the story goes is there was an announcement that there would be a festival taking place at the village. And being enamored by that they said, let's go check it out. And they made it a point to go to those shows every single day of that month.
And the first day that they saw it, it was wonderful. It was amazing. It was astonishing. They enjoyed to the fullest. The second day when they went, the second night, it was still enjoyable, but not as exciting as the first time around. The third time, the third night, it wasn't as enjoyable. And so on and so forth. It went and they became disenchanted.
And they realized, this isn't all life can be about. Just indulging in sensual pleasures. There must be a way out of it. And being disenchanted, they basically left the home life and became wanderers. And they joined a person named Sanjaya. Sanjaya Belatthaputta, who was the leader of the skeptics, the philosophical skeptics.
And they let go of all kinds of views. Both of the skeptics, the philosophical skeptics. And they let go of all kinds of views. Both of the skeptics, the skeptics, the skeptics, the skeptics. And they let go of all kinds of views. And they let go of all kinds of views. And some of them were very sharp. And some of them were very sharp in their mindset, in their ability to have incisive wisdom and insight into the nature of things.
But they remained unsatisfied staying with Sanjaya and his group. And one day, Sariputta was going for alms. And he saw this person who was glowing and shining. And his faculties were serene. And as it's put. And he was walking with complete and utter mindfulness. And this being was called Assaji. And he was one of the first disciples of the Buddha.
And as he was walking, he went for alms. And then he sat down at one place and he was eating his food. Now Sariputta didn't want to disturb this person while they were eating their food. So he waited until they were finished. And once he was finished, he then approached Assaji. And he said, you look like you're glowing. There is something about you. There is something that you know that is otherworldly. There is something that you possess.
That is insight. That can penetrate to the core of existence. What is it that you know? And so Assaji tells him, what I know and what I've been taught is by the Buddha. He is my teacher. He speaks of causality and conditionality. So he gave Sariputta this stanza. And the story goes, as Sariputta was listening to the first half of the stanza, he entered the stream. He became a stream enterer with path.
And as he listened to the second part of that stanza, he became a stream enterer with fruition. And then he started glowing. And so now he had experienced the first level of enlightenment, the first level of awakening. And he went to see Moggallana. And Moggallana saw him, that he was serene and tranquil. And something had happened to him. So he went to his friend and he asked him, what have you done? Where did you go? What did you learn? And he said, I met with Assaji who told me these two stanza. And in the same way Moggallana experienced stream entry.
Now, both of them went to approach the Buddha. And the Buddha at the time was with his handful of disciples. And he saw Sariputta and Moggallana from afar. And he said, there come my two chief disciples. He recognized them for who they were. And they came and they learned under the feet of the Buddha.
And the Buddha trained Moggallana. And the Buddha trained Sariputta. It took Moggallana about a week to attain arahatship. That is to say, to become fully awakened. And there is a passage of suttas somewhere in the Anguttara Nikaya or the Samyutta Nikaya, I believe, where the Buddha is actually guiding Moggallana through each of the jhanas up until cessation.
But for Sariputta, it took him two weeks. He was a bit of a slow learner. So it took him two weeks to become fully awakened. And the understanding here is that Sariputta is the foremost or was the foremost disciple in wisdom. Moggallana was the foremost disciple in psychic faculties. So he had all of the attainments, all of the psychic faculties, and was able to do all kinds of things. And so Moggallana would teach students to get all the way to stream entry. And Moggallana would finish their training to get to arahatship. This is how they taught together.
The first jhana explained
So what were the states that Sariputta went through to achieve this experience, these two weeks in which he experienced the jhanas? The first jhana he experiences, that's the first jhana that we'll talk about first. There it says that quite secluded from sensual pleasures and secluded from unwholesome states of mind, he entered upon and abided in the first jhana, which is accompanied by joy and happiness, born of seclusion.
So what does that mean? When we talk about the first jhana, so in the first jhana, what's going on is: first, when you sit down, you do the body scan, you relax the mind and body, and then you bring up an image or you bring up a verbalization. This is vitaka and vichara. This is thinking and applied thought or thinking and examining thought. This is the thought. This is the process through which the mind brings up an object of meditation and then stays with that object of meditation.
But before it can do that, it needs to be secluded from unwholesome states of mind and quite secluded from sensual pleasures. So what does that mean? When you sit down for practice, when you sit down to meditate, what are you doing? You close your eyes, and you direct your mind towards an object. Which means what? Your attention is no longer dispersed, no longer divided by any of the physical sense spaces.
Your attention is not going to the sound of the birds. Your attention is not going to the color of the flowers, or the smell in the room, or the breeze of the air conditioning. Your attention is going to the intention to bring up an object. Your attention is not going to the intention to bring up an object. In this case, let's say it is loving kindness, metta. And so that process of bringing up the metta is the vitaka. That is the intentionalizing of bringing up something through verbalizing or imagery.
Once you do that, you have to stay with that object. Which means you apply your mind towards resting on the feeling of loving kindness. This is the thinking and examining thought. Now as a result of this, because you are relaxed, and you've let go of any hindrances, you experience what's known as secluded from unwholesome states. When we talk about unwholesome states, unwholesome states are basically hindrances.
We spoke about the five hindrances. We spoke about the five hindrances yesterday. The five hindrances yesterday. The five hindrances are sensual desire, aversion, restlessness, sloth and torpor, and doubt. And there are subsets of these as well in different ways. And so when the mind experiences these hindrances, it cannot become collected. The attention cannot be undivided, cannot be undisbursed or non-dispersed or non-dispersed. The attention is diffused. The attention is diffused.
It's in different directions. But the moment you bring up the intention to collect the attention, now you are letting go of those hindrances. How are you letting go of those hindrances? Using right effort, the 6R's. The moment you notice a hindrance, what do you do? You stop that hindrance in its tracks. You release your attention from that hindrance. You relax any tightness and tension. You bring up an intention of happiness through the smile. And then you return back to the feeling of loving kindness.
As you keep doing this, your mind becomes more and more collected. And therefore, it is secluded from unwholesome states. Because of the fact that it is the distractions. Because of the fact that it is the fact that it is the fact that it is the fact that it is the fact that it is the fact that it is the fact that it is the fact that it is the fact that it is the fact that it is secluded from unwholesome states. That is the distractions. Remember what distraction means first. A distraction is anything that takes you fully away from your object of meditation.
If there are thoughts in the background, if there are images in the background, but the mind remains with the feeling of loving kindness, then you do not need to six R. It's only when those thoughts or images in the background. It's only when those thoughts or images pull your attention fully away from the object. It's only when those thoughts or those images pull your attention fully away from the object that it is said that you are distracted.
And so you recognize, release, relax, re-smile, return. You let go and come back to your object of meditation. The more you do this, the greater degree of mindfulness you have. The greater degree of clear comprehension. The more you do this, the greater degree of meditation. What does that mean? We can say seclusion. What does that mean?
We can say seclusion can mean isolation. We can say seclusion means you go into your cabin and you sit and you meditate. But that's one level of seclusion. There is another level of seclusion, which is discernment. Right? Because the word seclusion is actually translated from viveka. Viveka means to discern. What are you discerning? The fact that the mind is free of hindrances.
As a result of the mind being free of hindrances, it experiences joy, piti. And this joy manifests as different kinds of experiences. It can manifest as heat in the body, as warmth coming from your hands. It can manifest as vibration, vibratory experience in the body. There is a clear, a lifted state of mind that you experience.
And you experience happiness or sukha. Sukha here is really a sense of comfort and tranquility. It's where the body remains steady and free of any kind of discomfort. It's where the body remains free of any kind of pain. So the bodily formations are tranquilized or beginning to become tranquilized as you experience this joy and happiness or comfort born from understanding that the mind is free of hindrances.
The second jhana explained
So these culminate into the first jhana. Now, in the second jhana, which Sariputta goes through, what happens? There is a certain level of self confidence in the mind. The mind realizes, oh, this is fun. This is fun. This is actually enjoyable. This is actually enjoyable. I'm having a good time. And it's able to stay with the feeling of loving kindness without having to bring up any kind of verbalizing thought or any kind of imagery.
It does away with that. That's why the first jhana is the first jhana is the first jhana is the first jhana is the first jhana is the first jhana is the first jhana of distraction. And it is the first jhana of distractions. That's the first jhana of distractions. That's the first jhana of distractions. That's the first jhana of distractions. That's the first jhana of distractions. That's the first jhana of distractions. That's the first jhana of distractions.
The second jhana ceases any kind of vitaka and vichara. So that means it lets go of any kind of verbalizing and any kind of verbalizing imagery. Now the mind. Now the mind fully rests. Now the mind fully rests. Now the mind fully rests in the feeling of loving kindness. Now the mind fully rests in the feeling of loving kindness and is not that feeling is not dependent upon the imagery or the verbalizing. That feeling is now dependent upon the attention being on it.
Because whatever you put your attention to, that is what it continues to fuel. And if your attention stays with loving kindness, then the loving kindness will continue to permeate throughout the body, throughout your mind. So now there is a sense of being on autopilot. The mind feels like it can do this and it feels even more steady.
There is a greater degree of clarity. And so this is why it is said that the second jhana is the level of cessation which ceases any kind of verbal formations. So for those of you who are new to that term verbal formations, when we talk about formations they come from the word sankhara or samskara. And verbal samskaras are essentially those components of the mind that allow you to think and reflect and ponder before you express it in speech.
And so that is the verbalizing and imagining. That intentional verbalizing and intentional imagining goes away at the second jhana. And so this is the cessation of verbal formations in that regard. But now you experience greater degrees of piti and sukha. What does that mean? It is now piti and sukha born of concentration.
Born of collectedness. Which means that the mind becomes further attentive. Now the mind, as I said, is just gliding through this experience of loving kindness. And you may experience the piti starting to rise up. You may start to experience this joy coming up in greater degrees and more frequency. You may notice that the mind experiences greater degrees of comfort.
Now the mind has no hindrance at all. And has gone completely away. So in the second jhana, there is piti and sukha born of collectedness. Now the mind's attention is so steady that the sukha, that is the steadiness and comfort in the body becomes immovable. Unshakeable. And the experience of happiness and joy that you experience through piti becomes even greater.
It becomes so great that the smile that you have on your face might become elongated. Because this feels so wonderful. It feels so good. Now what can happen is people can alternate between metta and piti. That is to say, their attention then goes on the experience of joy. But if that happens, then when you get to the third jhana, people feel like there's something going wrong in the meditation.
Remember, the piti is an experience that happens automatically, happens naturally. This is what you have to understand about these states. These are states that you construct. These are states of deconstruction. Of letting go. And as a result of letting go, these states arise.
The third jhana explained
So you're not trying to construct the piti. You're not trying to construct the sukha. You're not trying to construct the tranquility that will arise later. They are happening naturally and progressively as you go through these stages. So what happens in the third jhana? When you get to the third jhana, the mind lets go of joy.
That is why I'm saying that if the mind mistakes the piti, the joy as loving kindness, as metta, then when the joy disappears in the third jhana, they feel like the mind feels like something is wrong. I'm not able to feel like I'm not able to feel the metta anymore. I'm not able to feel the metta anymore.
That's because the attention is now on the piti. So in the third jhana, what ceases is joy. And you have greater degrees of tranquility. So what is that tranquility? That is called tranquility due to mental unconcern. There are greater degrees of equanimity in the mind. And there is an even larger degree of sukha. When you get to the third jhana, what you will feel is that the metta starts to become a little bit more prevalent in the sense that it starts to feel a little bit more expansive.
It feels like the metta is ready to kind of radiate outward. And you will feel a little bit more expansive. Some people will feel like they're losing sensation in different parts of the body. Some people experience a certain gravity to the body.
The fourth jhana explained
A certain steadiness, like a rock. Totally immovable. And if you're experiencing this, then this is one of the sure signs that you're experiencing the third jhana. Now when you get to the fourth jhana, what happens? Your mind starts to experience the loving-kindness become even more expansive. Now it feels like the loving-kindness goes from the heart up into the head.
But before that, there's also that tranquility in the third jhana that starts to become even deeper. So there's the equanimity. So there's the equanimity. So there's the equanimity and tranquility where the mind remains completely unconcerned with what's going on. So there's the equanimity and tranquility where the mind remains completely unconcerned with what's going on. It is in such happiness, in such contentment.
That's the quality of the third jhana. In such contentment that it doesn't want to do anything. It just wants to rest in that experience. And then in the fourth jhana, that tranquility goes even deeper where there is what's known as purity of mindfulness due to equanimity. And so what ceases in the fourth jhana? Any kind of joy and happiness.
So the joy ceased in the third jhana. Any other levels of happiness cease in the fourth jhana. At the forefront, that seems like a terrible thing. But actually, joy is overrated. Because joy is short-lived. When you think about joy, there is an analogy used between joy and happiness. Joy is like a candle of flame that continues to flicker.
It's very unsteady. Whereas happiness is a flame that is completely still. It doesn't waver from one place. In the same way, the sukha is more steady than the piti is. And then the purity of mindfulness is even more steady than that sukha. So we say purity of mindfulness due to equanimity. What does that mean? Purity of mindfulness due to equanimity. What's going on under the surface?
The seven awakening factors
In the engines of your mind, so to speak. When you're progressing through these four jhanas, your mind automatically starts to bring up what is known as the seven awakening factors. What are the seven awakening factors? Mindfulness, investigation of states, energy, joy, tranquility, collectedness, and equanimity. So these different factors start to appear in different degrees in each of the jhanas. In fact, it could be understood that to be in a jhanic state of mind means first and foremost the disappearance and non-reappearance of any hindrance.
And the appearance and sustaining of the enlightenment factors. So how do you bring up these enlightenment factors? You could intentionally bring them up, but actually they happen to arise quite naturally due to the right causes and conditions being there in place. So what is the first enlightenment factor? Mindfulness.
Remember, mindfulness means remembering to observe how the mind's attention moves from one thing to the other. This happens as soon as you recognize that the mind is distracted. What happens? Your mindfulness is regained. In tandem to that, you automatically bring up, as a result of recognizing, the investigation of states awakening factor. Investigation of states. This is from the words dhamma vichaya, which means the understanding of phenomena. That's really what it means, the investigation of states. Investigation means that you have to analyze and reflect.
But here really what it means is you just understand and comprehend what states are present and what states are not present. So when you see that your mind is distracted, what's going on? First and foremost, you have mindfulness. And second, tied to that, you understand mind is distracted. The understanding that mind is distracted itself is the investigation of states.
Now, when you release your attention from that distraction, you are bringing up the balanced energy, the balanced amount of energy required. And that is the third enlightenment factor, the energy, the power, the strength. That doesn't mean you have to force and push your way through it. It just means that there is enough energy for the mind to remain alert.
And then when you relax, what are you doing? You're bringing up the tranquility factor. By relaxing and let go. By relaxing and letting go. By relaxing and letting go, you're experiencing a mundane form of nibbana in that moment. By relaxing and letting go, you're experiencing a mundane form of nibbana in that moment. By tranquilizing the bodily formations, you are bringing up the tranquility factor.
As a result of that, you experience joy quite naturally, which is anchored by the smile. So here, the joy and the tranquility are interdependent. When you are joyful, your mind is naturally relaxed and tranquil. When you feel tranquility, your mind is naturally uplifted and happy.
And then when you return back to your object in meditation, your mind becomes collected. And as you're doing this whole progression of the six R's, you have what is known as equanimity. What is equanimity? That equanimity is being able to see things as they are without getting affected by them one way or the other.
Just seeing things as they are. So what happens when you go through these jhanas? You cycle through these enlightenment factors. You have more steadiness. That's why you have more steadiness in the second jhana. That's why you have more joy in the second jhana. That's why you have more tranquility in the third jhana. And that's why you have more equanimity in the fourth jhana. And so the main signature of the fourth jhana is this mindfulness and equanimity. At this point, it's understood that the bodily formations cease.
Now, in some schools of thought. Now, in some schools of thought, that means that the in-breath and the in-breath stop. Now, in some schools of thought, that means that the in-breath and the out-breath stop. The way I would look at it is that the mind becomes so quiet, so tranquil, and the body becomes so still that the breathing also becomes quieter.
And more prolonged. In other words, you don't need as much oxygenation, let's say, as you would in the lesser states. And the other thing is, when we talk about the cessation of bodily formations in the fourth jhana, contact with the body becomes less apparent. If a fly lands on your hand, you will feel it, if your attention goes there.
But for the most part, when you are fully in the fourth jhana, you are fully in the mind. And that's why it's understood, or that's how people interpret this experience of the feeling of loving-kindness moving from the heart up into the head. Because what's going on is that, first and foremost, the energy of the loving-kindness becomes more radiant. It becomes more expansive.
And secondly, because the attention to the body becomes diminished, what is really felt here is up in the head. And so it feels like the loving-kindness has moved up to the head. And oftentimes, a guide or a teacher will know somebody is in the fourth jhana when you speak to them and you ask, how is everything going? And they'll say, oh, everything's great. Everything is fine. There's a certain flatness to their voice. It's not like they're depressed. It's just they're very calm, very collected.
And you'll ask them, do you feel happy? Yeah, I feel happy. It's very relaxed. So these are the four jhanas that a person will go through as they start to develop the practice of loving-kindness. Now, from the fourth jhana, they are also essentially known as the rupa jhanas. There are rupa jhanas, which we'll talk about tomorrow, but it is from the fourth jhana that you experience the rupa jhanas.
The Buddha's awakening night
It is also from the fourth jhana that you're able to experience rupa jhanas. It is also from the fourth jhana that you're able to experience supramundane faculties. So, in the case of the Buddha, on the night of his awakening, how did he go through his process? He recalled a time when he was happy. He remembered a memory of when he was a small child with his father during the harvest season, during the harvest festival, and he was sitting under the rose apple tree, and he remembered being quite happy and joyful.
And then, remembering that, he said, perhaps this is the way to cessation of suffering. And he took that memory, and he continued with that feeling, with that experience. And he progressed through the jhanas, the first jhana, the second jhana, the third jhana, and then the fourth jhana. Now, from the fourth jhana, his mind became quite malleable. So, what does it mean when the mind is malleable? Your mind is able to be directed in any direction, anywhere, at the snap of a finger. In passing way of beings, according to their karma.
He saw that when beings were in this state of mind, with these kinds of actions and intentions, it led to these states of mind and existences. And so, he was able to see that there is a world beyond just what we see in the form of the five sense experiences. There is something beyond that, which is outside of that scope.
And seeing the arising and passing away of beings according to their karma, he got insight into the nature of karma, and a greater understanding of dependent origination, of how this process unfolds and causes the creation of and the renewal of further karma. And then finally, in the threefold knowledge, his mind inclined from the fourth jhana to understanding how this whole process works, which means he came to the full understanding of what suffering is, the complete dissolution and abandonment of all sorts of conditions for that suffering, like craving for sensual pleasures, craving for existence, craving for non-existence, conceit and wrong view.
And as a result of which he realized fully nibbana, the cessation of all suffering, through the insight and cultivation of what's known as the eightfold path. So the eightfold path is encapsulated in right effort. Because it's through right effort, which is the heart of the path, it should go from the wrong factors to the right factors.
And so he used right effort, which is essentially the heart of what's known as the heart of the brain. Preventing the arising of further unwholesome states of mind, which you do when you recognize. Abandoning already prevalent unwholesome states of mind, which is what you do when you release and relax.
Generating wholesome states of mind, which is what you do when you come back to your object of meditation, when you return. So every time you do the 6R's process, you're doing a few things.
You're coming closer and closer to the understanding of the four noble truths. You're coming closer and closer to the activation and sustenance of the awakening factors. And you are naturally walking the eightfold path, which allows you to then experience these four jhanas. So the way the Buddha discovered this whole process shows that this whole thing is very much interconnected.
If you do one element, everything else is also taken care of. No matter from which angle you approach, you are in a sense fulfilling all the other factors of the path. So it was from the fourth jhana that he was able to experience these threefold knowledges. It's also from the fourth jhana that it's understood that a person can develop psychic faculties.
So psychic faculties include seeing into past lives, seeing into the future, doing different kinds of manipulation of material aspects, and so on and so forth. But the greatest gift that the fourth jhana can give you is a spiritual awakening. Because it's from the fourth jhana you experience what's known as panna vimutti. So there's two kinds of freedom. Freedom by wisdom and freedom of mind.
So panna vimutti is freedom through wisdom. And that occurs because from the fourth jhana you start to understand how the fourth jhana, and how it really is just a process that results in suffering.
And as I said, from the fourth jhana, you can then experience the ayatanas, or the arupa jhanas, which we'll go into further tomorrow. But I just wanted to give you an introduction to these four jhanas, which at some point in the next couple of days, which you will experience if you are developing loving kindness in the way that it's been instructed to you.
Questions on satori and chakras
Thus ends the lesson. Any questions? Yeah. I have two questions. First one is, what they describe as satori? What stage is it? Satori is actually from Zen Buddhism, which I'm not so much familiar with, but it's understood that it's a certain level of clarity of mind, that the mind experiences certain insights into the nature of existence.
It's like a Eureka moment that it experiences. No, because at the time of the Buddha, when we talk about chakras, and we talk about kundalini, really it was not fully developed at the time of the Buddha. So you can understand when we do this practice, that we're really talking about, if we talk about in the context of chakras, that when you feel the loving kindness, you're starting to feel it in your heart. It's a psychosomatic feeling, and therefore you are, in that sense, bringing up in the heart chakra, in the anahata.
So you're not dealing with the manipura, you're not dealing with the svadhisthana, you're not dealing with the muladhara, because these three have to do with the worldly life. So you straight away start with the anahata, which has to do with relationships, which have to do with loving kindness, and so on. And then as you're progressing through these jhanas, as you get to the fourth jhana, what happens is you feel that feeling go up into your head. And as a result of which, first and foremost, what happens is this throat chakra, which is related with the voice, which is related with verbalizing, that starts to become more and more relaxed, which means by the time you get to the second jhana, you've let go of any kind of verbalizing.
And as it starts to get into the head, so now you're going into the part where there's the anahata chakra. And so that has to do with insight and intuition. And so by the time you get to the fourth jhana, now you have greater degree of mindfulness, greater degree of awareness, and that means you have greater degree of insight and intuition. This is one way of perhaps understanding how you could use the chakras and the jhanas. Yeah?
So you have a question. So when you reach the third jhana, and you have greater degree of mind. What you will notice is that if the mind gets more geared or attentive to concentration, it's quite impossible that you're possible that you will just stay there and nothing might happen. But you're using loving kindness, which is continuing to change.
And it continues to travel through the first, second, third, and fourth jhana. So it's understood that the limits of the fourth jhana, or the limits of loving kindness is the fourth jhana. So if you use this, it will take you to the fourth jhana automatically. So it's better to kind of notice where your mind is. And if you're getting distracted by further degrees, it will take you to the third jhana.
It will take you to the third jhana. So when you reach the first jhana, the hindrances are already totally gone? Yeah. Now that doesn't mean the hindrances won't arise again. They might arise again, which means as soon as the hindrance rises and your attention goes there, you're no longer in jhana. So in order for you to come back, you're doing the 6R's. So you can reach a jhana and then go back to the previous one? Or come out of it completely.
Yeah. Yes. Why I say that is because first and foremost, there is an experience of it being a jhana. It is something shallow or deep. And it doesn't matter what's going on there. What matters here, for example, when we do the twin practice, really it's a more relaxed effort. So you don't become one-pointed in your concentration.
There are jhanas which you can experience where it becomes quite one-pointed, where it's so deep. It's so deep that you basically suppress hindrances. And as a result of being so deep, you might not even notice what's going on around you. You might not even hear anything around you. But you know what happens is if you're that deep, if there's a slight movement, a slight sound that can shake you, you can actually feel some kind of energetic vibration and it takes you away from that. If that happens, that means you're too concentrated.
Determinations and jhana delineation
With the twin practice, jhana kind of spills over to the second, and the second kind of spills over to the third. But as you get more acquainted with these states, you do start to see delineation points. You do start to see very distinct points between the first and the second jhana, and the second and the third jhana, and the third and the fourth jhana. Yeah? Not necessary, but helpful. And you don't need to do that if you are beginning the practice. You can do it when you become a very advanced practitioner, where your mind basically goes through a process of determinations, where it can stay in one jhana, let's say the first jhana, for a certain amount of time, is fully determined.
And then you do it with the second jhana, and the third, and the fourth, and so on. And then you start doing jhana hopping. You go from the first to the third, third to the fifth, fifth to the second, second to the sixth, and so on. And that is, it's actually on the website, on the Dhammasuka website. It's under the page called Determinations.
And that'll give you all the instructions of how to do that. But as I said, it's not necessary. But it can be helpful at a later stage. First, get a later stage. So here's the joy, here's the thinking, here's the unification of mind.
And if I put more intense focus on it, the joy increases more. If I pull back a little bit, that starts to decrease. So you can play around with that. But don't do it for the retreat. Do it in your own time. Yeah. That can also dissolve. And that usually starts to dissolve by the fourth jhana onwards. And I'll talk about that tomorrow when I talk about the ayatanas or the arupa jhanas.
But at that point, there comes a level where when you do the 6R's, and first and foremost, it happens automatically. And secondly, you might not have to do the re-smile step at that point because it feels so crass at that point, because it's like your mind is so subtle that if you try to smile, it's like you come out of the mind and back into the body.
Yeah. They will go away at some point, down the road. But practice. Practices can lead to that. So you might have thoughts in the background while you're even in, let's say, the eighth jhana or the seventh jhana. There's small, tiny wisps that you don't really fully notice. But there comes a point where you get so quiet that there's not even the tiniest vibration in the mind.
And eventually, your mind becomes very quiet. And then, as I said, as you said, down the road you attain a certain level of awakening where there's absolutely no movement of thought there at all. And it can be present in the mind whenever. There's another question in the back. Okay, good.
Any other questions? Yeah. It is central desire, because it is central desire, because it's based on central memory. Anyone else? How important is it to understand the jhana? Not important at all. I'm just doing this for the fun of it. It just gives you some clarity on how this happens. Because it is really part of the Eightfold Path. When we talk about the Eightfold Path, the last part of the Eightfold Path, we talk about the Eightfold Path. Okay. Let's share some merit. Okay.
Let's share some merit. May suffering ones be suffering free and the fear struck fearless be. May the grieving shed all grief and may all beings find relief. May all beings share this merit that we have thus acquired for the acquisition of all kinds of happiness. May beings inhabiting space and earth, devas and nagas of mighty power, share this merit of ours. May they long protect the Buddha's dispensation. Sadhu, sadhu, sadhu.